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As a loyal Bosch power tool user why would i have to change all of my cordless tool if i want to use the Li-lon.I currently have my 14.4 & 24 volt Nimh pod-style battery packs and bought a 10.8 & 18 volt Li-lon cordless drill and driver so why havnt Bosch made the old pod-style battery packs into Li-lon like someother manufacturers have so you could still use your older cordless tools but with the benifits of Li-lon.

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Hi Paul.

In a nutshell

The new Li Ion batteries work together with the redesigned internals in the new tools. Li Ion batteries on old tools wouldn’t receive the full benefit of the new technology and as batteries are by far the most expensive part of the system it just doesn’t make sense buy batteries if you are not getting the all the features from them.

I am aware some other manufacturers experimented with the idea but the as far as I know the idea was dropped early on.

Kind regards

The Bob Team
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 Bosch isn't alone in doing this.

Almost all manufacturers redesign their battery/tool interface with the advent of new battery technology.  I understand that some of the latest tool electronics "talk" between battery & tool, allowing cell protection, overload & temperature protection etc., but there also seems to be an element of planned obsolescence in there also.

DeWalt, for example, pride themselves on the fact that all new generation chargers are backward compatible with earlier generations of battery design and technology.  What a fantastic idea!  This means that your old, less-used ni-cad tool (a saw for example), can accompant your basic new drill kit to the jobsite, and still be rechargeable from the newer Li-ion charger!  I read somewhere, that of all the different types of battery DeWalt have produced over the years (over 30 I seem to recall), only TWO!! can't be recharged on their latest chargers!

That's showing the sort of respect for their older tools amd customers that Bosch should be paying heed to. Designed backwards compatibility is a customer reward that creates brand loyalty.

I have the greatest respect for the R&D department at Robert Bosch, but find it frustrating, for example, that I have to carry BOTH 18v & 36v chargers, along with all my cordless & corded kit.  Being forced to do so means that I don't really need to have all Bosch cordless tools, as the chargers and batteries are incompatible anyway!  Having only the one "multicharger"  would have the converse effect!

While we're at it, Bob, why don't you suggest to your boffins that they produce a dummy 36v battery, attached via an "umbilical cord" to a purpose built fanny-pack or bum-bag that contains two 18v li-ion batteries in series to power, for example, your GBH 36 V & VF LI hammers?  Having the increased runtime of 3.0ah and the battery weight on your belt rather than your hands makes for a much lighter, easily-handled tool, and only one (or perhaps two) 18v chargers required for continuous work!  It wouldn't work for your saws (too dangerous to have a power cord, even if only 36v), but would be fantastic for your GSB & GSR36 drills also.
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Id buy that belt, fantastic idea.
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Hi lads makita & hilti both sell umbilical systems for their 36v li-ions both seem to work well on the sites i`ve been on

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Hi all,
I have a GSB 18 VE-2LI Drill driver, but find the batteries are not powerful enough! (1.3ah), so is it possible to put larger AH batteries to this driver without damaging it??

Many thanks,
Darren 
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Yes. The battery system is designed to be one size fits all. You can use the 2.6 and 3.0.  Make sure they are 18 volt though.  Best buy at min is FFX tools. Same chargers used to charge as well.

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Steven
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 Thank you.
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This idea of having a battery belt would work very well with the GOP 10.8 multi tool. At the moment the battery life is very poor at the expense of the power of the cutter, a belt with more battery power to give a good 30-60 mins of use would be fantastic. Get going now Bosch and I'll put it on my christmas list.
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Just a few questions/comments on Bosch batteries.

I was reading an article recently on cordless tool batteries.  The article stated that Bosch, AEG and Ryobi are all using Samsung cells in their cordless batteries.  Is that correct?  If so, then it seems that Bosch and Samsung are lagging in technology.

Your competitors (notably Hitachi-Koki and Metabo) who are using Sanyo cells seem to have a technological edge.  Both these tool manufacturers can now offer 4.0ah batteries with no size or weight penalties AND a three year warranty on both tool and battery!

I understand that Li-Ion chemistries vary widely. As such I'm fairly sure that a change in cell supplier would make current charger/battery/tool interfaces redundant;  i.e. you couldn't charge different cells on a Bosch charger, nor would the tool and battery be able to monitor each other's performance characteristics properly.

I also see that you already have a (much larger & presumably heavier) 36v 4.5ah battery originating in China, rather than Poland as the 2.6ah. batteries currently are.  Bigger means heavier, and given the weight of the 36v range of tools, this isn't really a workable solution:  your GSB36V-Li is too heavy already for overhead work.  The other's 4.0ah batteries are the same size and weight as their 2.6 and 3.0ah alternatives.

So when can we see bigger capacities from your batteries?  I'm afraid that as it currently stands, both the alternative ranges of tools are looking decidedly superior to Bosch, at least from a battery and warranty viewpoint!  Hell, Metabo are even offering 4.0ah batteries for their 10.8v range!  I think it's time to reconsider your supply contracts!  It's only their lack of a decent one-handed SDS like the GBH18 that stops me going Metabo.