Bosch - "The goal is to replace corded with cordless"!!
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Hello all.
The Bosch YouTube channel has just released a series of short videos promoting the new ProCore batteries. In the video below, a Bosch rep states the goal is to replace corded tools with cordless. Exciting stuff and, in many ways, about time too when you look at what competitor brands have been up to! Still, lets hope the wait is worth it from Bosch.
Couple of thoughts though for Bosch designers:
Dust extraction. For a lot of us it's important. I've mentioned before on here when talking about the GAS 18V-10L vac that good as it is, there needs to be a way to get the vac to auto-start when the trigger is pulled, like on corded tools. Festool have come up with a neat solution where their new AirStream batteries are bluetooth and communicate with the vac. Pull the trigger, the vac starts. Bosch is going the route of connected tools rather than batteries it seems but, either way, this kind of feature is within their reach. Please make it available.
Tool innovations. Please don't scrimp on features in the cordless range as has sometimes been the case unnecessarily. A good example being the GST 18V jigsaws not having the double-roller blade guide found on the GST 160's. If you make an 18V orbital sander, please don't do as the other brands have and make an underpowered palm affair. Base it on the dual chasis GEX AVE's etc.
A good example of doing the cordless transition right (other than the Festool example above) is Makita's new dual 18V (36V) sliding mitre saw, the XSL06Z. It's a complete redesign and better from what I've seen than their current corded 10" mitre saws - not least it's compactness thanks to forward facing rails, better fences, better dust extraction and upfront controls.

In short, please make them great tools, not just cordless tools. Would love to hear the thoughts of others on the cordless transition and what they'd like to see.


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It is impossible to replace corded with cordless battery.. runtime, size and weight with battery, handling, cost and of course the structural differences.
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Hello 1fi.
Interesting use of the word "impossible".
In terms of power, with the new ProCore batteries it's entirely possible. Though the batteries are still 18V, they can deliver a sustained 90amps to tools that are optimised for them. This gives a watt equivalent of 1600w (90x18). There are few tools, especially ones we might use on site, that require more than 1600w. Some routers, breakers and large mitre saws maybe. But even then, there's the option of doubling up on batteries as some other manufaturers have done (2x18v - 36v) which with the ProCore's, could potentially deliver the equivalent of 3240w (90x36). More than enough to run large saws, routers and breakers.
In terms of runtime, that has come on leaps and bounds. Especially with the cells used in Bosch's Eneracer and new ProCore batteries. You can always have a battery charging whilst you're using the other of course. Quick chargers and chargers with multiple banks make this almost a non issue. Further, Bosch have what they're refering to as an "endurance" ProCore battery in the pipeline. Going off the figures supplied for the currently available 7.0ah version (2 rows of cells), it looks set to be a 10.5-12ah beast. It has a larger pack size (3 rows of cells) than what we're used to but it's intended for use on stationary tools like mitre/table saws etc.
On tools where weight is an issue, the ProCore range is also to include a 4.0ah slim pack (single row of cells). That would make it the highest ah rating for a slim pack battery to my knowledge. So you get the grunt without the weight, particularly important for tools like drills where less weight means better handling and less fatigue.
Cost is a fair point. The lowest price I've seen for the 7.0ah ProCore currently on the market is £120. We can probably speculate the 4.0ah would be around £70-80 and the 10.5/12ah £180-200 each when they're released. Then of course there's the cost of re-tooling. You can use these batteries in older Li tools (and vice versa) but you won't release the potential of the new batteries without buying a new tool optimised for it. The old Bosch Li tools are optimised for the 40amps the old Coolpack batteries could deliver. Not the 90amps available from the new packs.
Still, many trades people are going cordless. It's becoming less and less frequent seeing any 110v tools on UK sites now. It's pretty much all cordless Makita, Hilti and DeWalt. So obviously replacing corded with cordless has an appeal, not least in terms of safety and ease of use. If Bosch release some well designed and competent tools to go with their ProCore range it'll be a hit I'm sure - regardless of cost. Cordless tools on site are just so much better. No one wants to be dragging a cable or a 110 transformer around or setting up a socket unless absolutely necessary anymore. It's becoming less necessary.
I'd replace "impossible" with inevitable. At least for site work anyway.
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I also believe that cordless can replace corded. Cordless tools have developed A WHOLE LOT in the last 10 years when Li-ion batteries came on the arena! I remember the first Bosch brute drill driver I bought which was huge! I now have a new ec version which is smaller, more powerful, with batteries that has twice the amphour. I don't know how far this is into the future, but what about the next technology after lithium?

I really want to try the big boy ProCore battery on my angle grinder! I have 6,3 batteries which does the job quite well. Hope also that Bosch will soon come with a new circular saw on 18V that can really live up to the potential output of the new battery-series as I think the 18V57G lacks a lot of power, and frankly disappointed me in almost every way. Wish you would make something that could at least compete with Makita's new model that goes to 5000 rpm, or even step up to the Milwaukee Fuel version which has a bigger blade also. Overall quality/finish of the tool should also increase with more use of metal on knobs and shield. 

All my other tools I am happy with, but I really think you should be making more powerful and better circular saws. Where is Bosch thinking about going relating to 18Vx2? And what about the 36V series?

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It's becoming less and less frequent seeing any 110v tools on UK sites now, " a 110 transformer around or setting up a socket unless absolutely necessary anymore. " 
 
 I forgot that : ) The bosch uk page..  I live in a 220v country. There is a big battery behind the cord and sockets everywhere.
3 different drills, bosch sds-plus, sds-max, metabo jigsaw, makita jr3070ct, 125mm and 230mm angle grinders, die grinders, mixer, sanders, mitre, table saws, vacs and much more 220v tools. 

The only 10.8 / 12v bosch I use /  need is a drill  GSR EC.   
Then the necessary 18v tools,  6-7 

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